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Duncan Smith's avatar

It seems most people who were young in the 1970s and 80s are unable to change the core beliefs they formed at that time. It's as if their brains are frozen and they can't perceive how much the world has changed, making their ideas obsolete.

We are usually amazed they can't see through at least some of it... then again, why would they want to? The ideas that you list for 'On TV' flatter their sense of being morally correct about everything.

I do respect people who are prepared to change their minds, but very few want to do that.

Spiff's avatar

I think this is dying. Reality is just too bleak. A jaunt through any city centre in Britain tells a different story. The changes are visible.

So the TV watching is the last defence to construct a comforting fantasy. Our lords and masters then have made a real mistake wokifying them. The demographic shifta have creeped into material many would have used to prevent themselves seeing reality. A misstep in my view as the author reminded us; they can still vote.

John's avatar

Whenever I get a new woman in my life, I'm a 66 year old boomer here in the UK, the very first thing they always try to do is get me to buy a TV licence. I tell them I haven't watched TV for over 20 years because I refuse to watch or pay for government propaganda controlled via Ofcom and I m not going to buy one now.

Then they ask "But how can you get news and watch things if you don't watch TV channels" and I tell them that I find all the news I need on-line and it is truthful because they are usually reporting right from the coal face and speaking to the people concerned and not making things up.

I often point out East Enders to them and ask them if they know of the demographic changes in the East End since that appallingly negative view of working class people got started thirty odd years ago and of course they say "What changes?" They are the ones who are being misinformed as you say.

I was having a discussion with a woman the other day who is of a like mind to me but even she had never heard of the "rubbing their noses in it" quote from a government adviser during the rule of the two traitors Blair and Brown. I asked Deep Seek to look out the exact quote etc for me and here it is below with some background.

"The statement you're referring to — or one extremely close to it — was not made by a cabinet minister. It was made by Andrew Neather, a former policy advisor and speechwriter for Tony Blair and Jack Straw (Home Secretary).

In a 2009 article (later confirmed in multiple interviews), Neather wrote that the Labour government’s push for mass immigration in the late 1990s and early 2000s was discussed internally with the aim of “rubbing the Right’s nose in diversity” — making conservative, anti-immigration arguments obsolete.

Specifically, Neather said:

“I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy — even if not its main purpose — was to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.”

He also noted that ministers avoided saying this publicly because they feared backlash from traditional working-class Labour voters.

There is no verified record of any Labour cabinet minister (Blair, Brown, Blunkett, Straw, Mandelson, etc.) using those exact words about “rubbing the noses” of the British working class. That phrasing appears to be a popular condensation or misattribution of Neather’s insider account."

This was a planned treasonous destruction of all that Britons held dear and every one of those involved is still alive to face the inevitable music.

Spiff's avatar

I think they will face some music. An absolutely disastrous policy decision, one that will not end well.

Philip's avatar

They live.. We sleep..

Andy Boddington's avatar

I was recently asked to leave my neighbour's house after bringing up in conversation my observations about the changing demographic in our area. . . The bloke is 60 and switches on the TV when he wakes up and turns it off at the end of his day. Before 2020, I thought he was really cool but the time since then has shown me someone who believes Putin wants to invade European countries, supports Ukraine, took 3 jabs, and thinks I am the problem. Your observations in this piece are what I am experiencing. Thank you

Spiff's avatar

It is worrying. One wonders what will be going through his mind when he is moved on from his neighbourhood for being the wrong demographic. Will he join the dots or still think Nazis like you are the problem?

Andy Boddington's avatar

I saw that in the SPARS pandemic training exercise , they identified "echo chambers" as being the number 1 restriction to the truth getting "out". I think each echo chamber has it's own belief system and is based on whatever evidence has been presented. It is a nightmare realised. The divisionary tactics are in overdrive it seems and I am beginning to wonder if JK Rowling's position on a certain alphabet group was by design , because it seems to have divided her fans very clearly.

John's avatar

In my opinion, that I am still allowed to hold for now in the freedom loving UK, Rowling has always had a strong feminist i.e man hating bent to her Tweets and so to my mind she didn't have to change a thing to attack those men pretending to be women. To my knowledge she has not tweeted about women posing as men and using men's changing rooms etc because that doesn't fit her usual anti-man bias and so as far as I know she is not against "trans men" getting access to men's facilities she is only against "trans women" getting access to women's facilities. I am happy to be corrected on that last point though as maybe her quite correct views on "trans women" not getting access to women's facilities are just the views that the mainstream propaganda outfits want to push i.e. maybe she isn't a steaming hypocrite at all.

Andy Boddington's avatar

Fair, and thank you 👍. I am just highly suspicious of a lot of things now and realising that HP was massive for the generation in their 20's and 30's now , that it was a very convenient way of dividing any unity gained from HP fan base and causing a generation to have that "Rather not talk about it" self loathing and to subsequently turn their backs on something that gave them a common denominator. I am suspicious as to the craze that began around 2000 of HP. If I remember right around that time we had a yo-yo craze and it was off the back of a recent one too and everyone was saying that this wasn't right - that in our experience, yo-yo crazes happened at a frequency which would be about 8 years. Then around 2002 we had a second craze after one about 3 years before. I think this was probably an experiment to see if they could manufacture a craze. I think HP was definitely a manufactured craze , these days.

Spiff's avatar

She is hard left on everything except the one issue of MtF trans people. That's it. Open borders, hardcore feminism, total destruction all round.

John's avatar
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Yes she is for open borders I know that, whilst she lives not an hour's drive from me in one of the whitest parts of rural Scotland which is the whitest part of the UK. She could live in a posh part of Birmingham or London for better weather but I guess she would see the results of her lunatic views there and so prefers not to. She is a total steaming hypocrite on the invasion she calls for, re-labelled "immigration" or "asylum", without a shadow of a doubt. I remember back in the day when an asylum seeker was someone you would want to meet down the pub to ask about what they ran away from but now an asylum seeker is running from nothing to the best benefit system in Europe that he, invariably a he, wants to thieve from never having paid a penny in except the £3k to the gangs that brought him here. I''m sure Rowling will change her tune when they turn up in rural Perthshire by design and due to the utter naivity of her and millions of others on a whim.

Spiff's avatar

Even with the insulation, even something like armed compounds, what is going through their minds. She is not alone. But what do they think their world will look like if she keeps encouraging more immigration?

I just don't get it. I understand saying nothing. But active promotion after seeing what it has done to London. What is going on in their minds?

nineofclubs's avatar

It all started with Eddie Booth.

A caricature of both the Old Left and the racially conscious.

Capital killing two birds with one stone.

If Wolfie Smith had been a Millwall fan, he’d have been another perfect example.

Edward McLaren's avatar

Hilariously, you describe TV exactly as I do in my novel Bothelford’s Gone!

“Once, on an Autumn night, he dreamed he was in the centre of Bothelford before the big war memorial, that the sun was a gigantic red orb, and that the streets were filled with statues, petrified human beings whom he knew, aunts and uncles. Seated at the top of the memorial was a monster, a chimera, with a television for a head and a dripping, red mouth of teeth. In the dream, Jack tried to remember which video games he had played the night before to inspire these images, but nothing exactly fitted. He was somehow aware he was in a dream and yet couldn’t influence its contents whatsoever. The chimera with the flashing rectangular face and the red jaws spoke to him some distorted lines his mother had read him from the poet Percy Bysshe Shelley. It declared itself to be Bothelford’s ‘King of Kings’, sovereign over this zone for its amusement.”

Clearly, the image of a “shimmering chimera” has a certain connection to the essential reality of television.

Spiff's avatar

I think the appeal of TV is similar to the appeal of conspiracies. No loose ends. It all adds up. No grim reality at all.

Spiff's avatar

I have a less charitable take. I think many do see it and do indeed use the box as opiate. I don't think this is uncommon. I have read fewer people are watching new shows and prefer instead to rewatch familiar comforting fare from an earlier era. Friends seems to be the goto choice for some. A more innocent time when six white people could share their apartments and adventures without worrying they were being tracked by the FBI.

But I personally know many who simply turn away from it. And by this I suspect they can't even bring themselves to vote for change. Voting of course being a private, zero-risk option to bring about something a little better. I know too many who cling to an absurd worldview being demolished just by immigration never mind anything else. Who would now vote Labour or Tory? Twenty years ago, sure. But how many betrayals does it take to accept reality?

Covid destroyed my view of humanity. A little comfort and escape is understandable. But lying to oneself as our world is dismantled around is quite another.

That said, the reality that is around them is becoming so bleak it is unavoidable. Even the Boomers will have to take note.